Legions International Competitive League - Launch

[Disci]

Turtling and rabbiting are something people gonna bitch about if they are on "Do not" list. If you play a match there are situations which someone could easily label either of these. So rules *dancing* could occur, if people are *dancing* anuses, which they generally are.

 

[WildFire]

My rules weren't just me but a committee of - as fireblasto put it - "Any decent player". In fact, i've received all positive feedback except from fireblasto since he's all hurt about the 1 hof rule. Sorry bud, you lose that one. Completely changing the rules will completely go against user feedback. I did it for you (plural)... not me.

Yeah Yeah, sorry I didn't fit into your plans, but you asked for input, and I gave you mine - if you don't want to hear bad input, don't ask for it.

I love it except these,

• Sniper Limit set to 1
• No blatant rabbiting to prolong game or prevent score
• No turtling
• HoF Limit set to 1
• Breaking the rules will result in a lose on that map

Adding position guidelines just sucks, if a team wants to run 8 Sents then they should be allowed to do so. -[HA]- HeavyArms was a pretty well known team in T1 and ran nothing but heavies on the OGL CTF Open ladder, and did well. Not to mention the slew of pure sniper clans that tribes has had, i just don't like how you are pigeon holing everyone into playing a set type of tactics.

Exactly how I felt bro. As a captain it felt really restrictive. For a small tournament like that, it just about worked because most people like to do general tactics that are pretty predictable that just get broing over time. I like to vary my tactics and give the opponent a surprise!

So for all you nay sayers and disbelievers, the tournament and its rules were a complete success. And carrying them on is a smart move rather than trying a different approach.

Not for a team tournament, or ladder system. Seeing as all the tactics are going to be the same with little variation with those restrictions in place. I don't believe I am going to do this but, le Application-1 is dead right:

Ladder > anything else.
Freedom in what map / strategy you want > good for nothing rules.

 

[Voltage]

I'm sorry. Didn't 98% of the players in the tournament have a good time and actually want another one right after - win or lose?

I am undoubtedly in that percentage.

Didn't have that much fun on legions in quite a long time tbh, albeit we lost in the first round.

 

[RiPTaCk]

• Sniper Limit set to 1
• No blatant rabbiting to prolong game or prevent score
• No turtling
• HoF Limit set to 1
• Breaking the rules will result in a lose on that map

These are the rules that allow a consistent gameflow during the match. Having 2 snipers or 2 Hofs is an effective tactic yes but it doesn't allow the ennemy team to cap properly which is of course for your advantage and you probably win but the gameflow gets lost if all the ennemy cappers are blocked by Hofs and/or sniped after leaving.
This game is much faster than Tribes therefore if you instantly restric the fast gameplay by such tactics, then you have a shitty game, at least for one team, which never should be the case.
Although we are talking on a competitive level, both teams should at least have a bit of fun, which is not the case if you have 2 decent snipers/Hofs on one team and the other team doesn't.

But you need to define turtling. Bases on Elegiac are so flat that on a standoff a strong/average defense can hold the flag for an eternity. Thats also kind of turtling if you stack your defense hoping for a lucky return. (Thats the scenario during every match on Elegiac btw)

 

[Xtreme]

But you need to define turtling. Bases on Elegiac are so flat that on a standoff a strong/average defense can hold the flag for an eternity. Thats also kind of turtling if you stack your defense hoping for a lucky return. (Thats the scenario during every match on Elegiac btw)

why are you even talking? every chance you get you camp on the tower behind the elegiac base, grab and then camp on the tower at home - and i have a feeling you're not just trolling anymore.

so many people suffer from the cynical asshole syndrome it's not even funny.

 

[Armageddon]

These are the rules that allow a consistent gameflow during the match. Having 2 snipers or 2 Hofs is an effective tactic yes but it doesn't allow the ennemy team to cap properly which is of course for your advantage and you probably win but the gameflow gets lost if all the ennemy cappers are blocked by Hofs and/or sniped after leaving.

This game is much faster than Tribes therefore if you instantly restric the fast gameplay by such tactics, then you have a shitty game, at least for one team, which never should be the case.

Allow the enemy to cap properly? wut. So move out of the way and let them cap properly? I'm so lost...
I agree that team would probably win and thats the point of competition, the better team will win.
The best part of any game is being able to change and adapt to different tactics, being forced to play a certain way just sounds potato to me.

These rules are so filled with holes, Only one each of HoF/Sniper but a whole team according to this rule set would be allowed to go as Raider with clusters?

 

[RiPTaCk]

I didn't mean cap properly, i just can't find the word i want. By capping properly I mean only 1 hof to avoid. If you have 2 Hofs to avoid, it gets rather impossible to cap properly unless you have a rather good offence.

Try it and see what happens! I just give you my advice according to my experience.
I have seen plenty of Pugs with double Hofs and guess what it didn't work out very well.

I can't explain myself properly in English so in the end I tend for the 1 HoF/Sniper per team version.

Also xtreme just shut up you just can't troll me kiddi

 

[Apcizzle]

Of course the tournament was a lot of fun, I had a blast and even after our team lost we kept playing for some time together. But I would like to say that these rules are good for a fun and quick tournament. If you really want to go competitive with a whole season of competing against eachother then I would rather have a different system (like a ladder). That's all.

I may have over looked that part and i can say i agree but still.. 90% of the rules that we used for the tournament can be universal. That's all i'm trying to say.

Yeah Yeah, sorry I didn't fit into your plans, but you asked for input, and I gave you mine - if you don't want to hear bad input, don't ask for it.

Yea but if you look back at what you said, you tried to fit every "half decent player" into what you think. Which all i was originally trying to say was you're wrong and everyone but 2% of the community agreed with my rules.

 

[Armageddon]

I have seen plenty of Pugs with double Hofs and guess what it didn't work out very well.

It worked out im sure for the team with 2xHoF, I've played pub with 2 or more HoFs and it wasn't so bad to where we couldn't cap, Hell i've played pubs were they've had 3-4 good snipers and we still managed to get caps. It's just a matter of changing tactics, more LO focus on the hofs/sniper, clear a way for the capper and escort him back. To me thats more fun then what these rules want to enforce. If the game doesn't challenge the player to get better it stops being fun.

82% of statistics are made up on the spot.

 

[57thEnryu]

ok, If we now have that out of our systems, I'm not going to remove position restrictions b/c I happen to agree with them. With that said, I am still open to a discussion on specific rules to change (rather than "all the rules suk")

Also, I have been talking with a trophy company for an award and it has been suggested that I should get an award like this one: http://www.bennettawards.net/crystalhonor.html (yes, the company is bennet awards, and yes the 3D image in the crystal will be the legions flag).

here is the quote they gave to me:

3-D Crystal Award Costs
3-D crystal image custom award (7.78"H x 5.12"W x 2.76"D): $295 each
Option: Black marble or wood base (6"W x 4"D x 2"H): $45 each
Marble or plate engraving fees: $50 each (estimate)
Set-up charge for 3-D image: $300 one-time fee per image
Freight and taxes are additional.

Availability
Full production is roughly 3-4 weeks assuming approvals move through in a timely manner.

Custom Award Note
Custom awards are created specifically for you, so they are not returnable.

Ordering Policy
A 50% down payment is required when placing your order. The balance is due when your sculpture award order is complete and ready for shipment. We accept company checks, Visa, MasterCard and American Express. Under no circumstances can we ship a sculpture award before full payment has been received. Additional information regarding our policies can be viewed on our Customer Service Page.

There is also a 4" one which would cost $95 each, but there are two options I'm looking at here (which I will leave up to the community to choose)

1. The Cheaper Option - A single 8" award with a base that is passed between the winning team each season, like the Stanly Cup. This one will have a base and a plate with the names of the winning team carved on every season.
   • Cost: $295 for the award, $45 for the base (optional), and $300 for 3D engraving
   • Total = $595-640
2. The Nicer Option - 10x4" awards that each memeber of the winning team gets every year. This will also have a small base with the season number, year, and team name engraved on it.
   • Cost: 10 x $95 for trophy + 10 x $20 for base (optional) + $300 for 3D image
   • Total = $1250- 1450 for first year, $950-1150 each year after

EDIT: I will bay maybe about $300, maybe more on this, just to let yall know.

[Discussion]

 

[Karnage]

Okay, so to be clear (and technical) - we are allowed one HoF but HoF is a position not a loadout. Does that mean we could have an HO (and maybe even more than one)? Not joking here. Some teams use HO as a primary tactic (Broccoli/PWA *cough*) and I don't know if it's right to say only one heavy is allowed seeing as the heavy is quite...um...versatile these days.

 

[AFireInAsa]

Okay, so to be clear (and technical) - we are allowed one HoF but HoF is a position not a loadout. Does that mean we could have an HO (and maybe even more than one)? Not joking here. Some teams use HO as a primary tactic (Broccoli/PWA *cough*) and I don't know if it's right to say only one heavy is allowed seeing as the heavy is quite...um...versatile these days.

I'm sure you can.

 

[Piggeh]

See, when Fireblasto voices a legitimate complaint, you just hop on the bandwagon and shut him down. Instead of just snapping at him, why not actually look at what his gripe is, and address your position respectfully? While I liked the overall tournament, I disagree with a couple aspects (position limits being one of them). By setting these constraints on team composition, you are inhibiting different types of strategy (double HOF, sweeper + sah snipe/chase, etc.) It just makes the game boring. Actual strategy/adaptation to new strategy can only happen when there aren't any artificial limits placed on how we play legions. If a team goes double HOF, other teams will adapt to this strategy and know how to effectively counter it. It's like playing NR20 on Starcraft or something.

Just my 2 cents. As for trophies, I don't think they are needed.

 

[Ucantry2run]

We'll play if there are more than four teams.

 

[Piggeh]

@Enryu: Just because you happen to agree with the idea of position restrictions does not mean they should exist. As a tournament manager, I would expect you to be open to everyone's ideas, not just the one's you agree with. Instead of dividing the community on this, why not entertain suggestions? Obviously those previous 2 sentences are moot if you are still open to discussion on position restrictions (I sort of guessed you meant you were open to specific rules excluding position restrictions). If this is the case, then Ucan is a fool for quoting you (apart from his usual foolishness ).

OT: Can you clarify what you mean by no turtling? Do you mean something like Team 1 is up 8-7 and decides to all go D?

 

[Gheist]

Oh look, it's all developing like expected. Go go e-peenery and defensiveness, lets forget actual concerns and continue to actively ridicule each other! And for *dance*s sake, stop using percentages, you obviously can't do it right.

That said, there's quite a lot amiss with those "rules" and "guidelines", but maybe you should at least decide what they should be for. A quick tournament? An "international competitive league"?

Shameful and sad behaviour, but as mentioned, expected...

By the way: Nukes fell.

 

[Jordahan]

Jesus Christ this thread is like the biggest e-peen contest ever. They are the rules set for this tournament, he said he is open to discussion on them. [DISCUSSION MIND YOU, NOT "HURR DURR THESE R BAD, I DUN LYK DEM"]

In my humble opinion from someone who hasn't played this game all too competitively for quite some time. These rules are not a big deal. Like Carnage said, it said on HOF not one heavy, you don't need to put on a disco with lasers. There are always rules, and a good captain, will set a strategy around them and win. Instead of bitching and moaning about how the rules hurt his feelings cause he can't use the plan he wanted.

TL;DR - These are the rules. Deal with it. *giggle*

 

[Gheist]

[...] TL;DR - These are the rules. Deal with it.

BS, and you know it.

 

[-Zero-]

co-organizers: i'll help if you want?.

 

[Apcizzle]

Just for the record, i agree that class restrictions are a bad idea. But you know why i put them? Because i had it open for discussion in my tournament thread and it is what most people wanted. You can never please everyone, as you all may know from previous changes to the sniper rifle in Legions and what not. BUT you can please a majority of them and that is why i put it as a rule for class limitations and took out certain maps.

So again, it was against it but since the people wanted it, i gave it to them. I didn't do it because that is the way i wanted it. Selfishness will only lead to disaster.

But enough of that topic and flaming that we've all gotten too accustom with when it comes to touchy subjects like so. Voice your opinions friendly and constructive from now on. If you want to help and participate, then do so. Otherwise, this this thread alone.