The Sniper Thread

[Frost]

i say sniper is one of the upper-tier, yet is also the hardest weapon to learn to use at times.
sure its powerful and effective, but it takes lots of PRACTICE to know WHEN and HOW to snipe effectively.
it probably has the steepest learning curve to use it out of all the other weapons.
also, having trouble with caps vs. snipers? try new routes that keep you out of their site for long periods of time and etc and etc and etc. sure this might not be perfect, but its one counter measure against snipers.... or hope that they suck

I'm saying putting all that aside, Top Tier snipers are too effective.

Whoa! I have played against Ucan before when he was using the sniper, and he is very very good at it. That doesn't mean to say that he's unbeatable though!
My original point still stands though, why does everyone think that distract is just means shoot the Heavy? Distract is supposed to attack the part of the defence that poses the most threat, i.e. a not so good HoF is playing, I send the distract to shoot riptack or even darklord in the American games. 1 rocket is enough to compromise them, even in a public game.

Maybe Euro pugs are different but you don't seem to understand that darklord doesn't sit still lol. Same with Ucan, they're either A) killing LO, B) killing/blocking the incoming capper or c) leaving the base. Also one off target rocket doesn't do a significant amount of damage unless the target happens to fly up at the time, and even so this could ruin the chances for a regular chaser however a sniper like Ucan would just pick the flag carrier off anyways and let someone else return. So it sort of further proves my point that the sniper has a higher possibility of chasing than someone using rockets and cg/bolt/gl etc.

 

[WildFire]

Oh stop moaning please! Every tactic has its weakness, I've just explained how you COULD counter the tactics. Adapt to the tactic first before you say its Overpowered.

 

[Disci]

Example: grabbing at 180-250 against 3 snipers (conti, unexistent, shadylp) for a full game only resulted in a few caps. Standoffs were decent but getting back to base was almost impossible without escorting/being an escort.

You mean, it should be easy to get back home with the flag especially when no one escorts or doing LO?

 

[ColoredSpades]

Hey guys just wanted to bring up that I thought that the outrider/hornet/boost/sniper/rocket is op.

In the current live version the hornet medium armor has a slightly gimped laser rifle and less agility compared to the outrider.

You can get sniped on the way in, rocketed in the face, and then grenade boost chased all by the same player. Perhaps this is too much all around effectiveness for the hornet?

However, I like the new Sky Bolt and all the new maps .

I suppose then you'll complain about gunner; rocket, grenades, and chainguns hitting you from across the map.
Then you'll complain about nerfed combos.
Then you'll complain about sentinel, because it can instantly OD and shoot clusters
Then I'm guessing your probably gonna play as 1 of the mentioned above(including the quote)...

And then complain even more so about it being not powerful enough for you.

PRACTICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MAKESSSSSSSSSSS PERFECTTTTTTTTTTT.

 

[Ucantry2run]

Every tactic does have its weakness. But when you have a good stayhome and hit almost every shot, its hard to counter without coordination.

Please...
Everything that is bolded, I think the opposite. The sniper-rifle is a hitscan weapon. Mostly ping reliant. Hitscan meaning: POINT AND SHOOT!

Well, the sniper was very hard for me to learn and got me frustrated often. I'm not beating on other snipers, but most of them (even BLS) shy away from outriders when they are being attacked. In more coordinated gameplay, it is hard to actually reach the sniper because of the stayhome. A hitscan weapon doesn't always mean instant OP. It took a while for all the top tier snipers to get good, similar to the time it would take a chaser or stayhome to get good.

Darklord's talent isn't something that everyone has, yet there's probably 5 effective snipers for 1 effective RL chase (Darklord)

Don't you think the same scenario could also apply to the snipers? There are just more of them. The chasers community is actually quite small.

Also, most of the snipers have played that class exclusively since day 1. I have not seen BLS in a chaser class, nor have I seen Lanthus. More time put in = more results.

 

[Epiclight858]

You make a great point. There are always going to be better classes than others, until custom loadouts. Take the new stinger, for example. They can't chase. They need an option for boost nades like the raptor classes have. Nades are so underrated, so I can so relate to you. I don't want to be forced to pick a good class to do good.

 

[Ucantry2run]

Stop flying in straight lines.

You make a great point. There are always going to be better classes than others, until custom loadouts. Take the new stinger, for example. They can't chase. They need an option for boost nades like the raptor classes have. Nades are so underrated, so I can so relate to you. I don't want to be forced to pick a good class to do good.

The good classes are pretty much everything except Stinger.

EDIT: Also, someone should make a thread for all of the sniper complaints. This is like the 30th.

 

[PureWhoopAss]

Stop flying in straight lines.

The good classes are pretty much everything except Stinger.

EDIT: Also, someone should make a thread for all of the sniper complaints. This is like the 30th.

yeah for real its getting old...

 

[Epiclight858]

Stop flying in straight lines.

The good classes are pretty much everything except Stinger.

And that's why I can't wait for custom loadouts, so things might be balanced out to the way we experience the game. Then, we won't have so much complaining, since people will have their own choice to pick what they want, and the fact that they have the same advantage as everyone else when it comes to weapons/classes.

Stinger with BOOST nades, for example...............

 

[Epiclight858]

Also, Mr. Ucan: the stinger is actually quite useful for LO, try it out sometime

That's why I play stinger, because it actually takes some skill to stay alive.

 

[Frost]

In the case of Lanthus yea he's pretty much been in sniper since day 1, you weren't always a sniper though. Fireblasto don't bother responding on here if you aren't going to make intelligent comments. I'm not moaning I'm debating or attempting to prove wrong points that people bring up. I already stated that it doesn't have to get changed I just want the devs to consider the sniper class more than they already do. I've adapted to the tactic through escorting and focusing on snipers, I'm not some new randomer QQ'ing so don't treat me as one I've most likely played longer then you.

 

[Piggeh]

I would venture to say that the Hornet is the best class in the game.
Pros:
Outrider = versatile/nimble/fast
Boost nades = moar speed
Sniper rifle = yay instakill
RL = rocket jumps, ground pound, MAs
Boost nades + LR + RL = epic chasing machine.

Disadvantages:
No CG -> hard to chase
Sniper rifle eats up energy, can make chasing difficult
Low health on OR
Slow reload time for sniper rifle
-Hotswap timer means switching from sniper rifle to rocket launcher takes some time (you have to wait for the sniper to reload

I've been using the Hornet because it's so damn effective on Elegiac. If the capper comes in and OD's, I'll contagious OD with them, then line up a sniper shot and (hopefully) ZAP them to death. Even if you dont kill them, it should bring most down to around <15% health. If I don't get them the first time, I just wait for them to go up a hill, because hitting someone at the vertex of their arc = easy.

 

[Disci]

I've most likely played longer then you.

And you could still be the most dumbest person on the planet. How long you've played has nothing to do with the fact how much you know about this game. Do I have to remind you, that there are probably 1000x better cappers than you are so don't expect the game being balanced around your skill level.

 

[Ucantry2run]

And that's why I can't wait for custom loadouts, so things might be balanced out to the way we experience the game. Then, we won't have so much complaining, since people will have their own choice to pick what they want, and the fact that they have the same advantage as everyone else when it comes to weapons/classes.

Stinger with BOOST nades, for example...............

Everyone already has the option to choose whatever they want. Its pretty much you and your stinger boost.

hitting someone at the vertex of their arc = easy.

Yeah, every sniper has this in common. I could put Freeman, discord and BLS next to me on sniping and we would all shoot at the same time. Its hilarious.

 

[Ucantry2run]

you weren't always a sniper though.

Your arguement is completely valid, and there are other things to consider when you think about learning curves.

1. The speed of your computer
2. Your experience with past FPS/ shooter games
3. Play time in general

These things will contribute to how fast a person can develop in a certain position. If you have lower fps and/or ping, you won't really perform as well with a person that has crystal clear gameplay. I have around 500, so it would affect how well I learn. I have also played many shooting games before this as well as spent hours and hours with the sniper. Some people don't learn as fast, and you will find that those are the people to complain about the sniper (mostly).

I personally don't have an easy time sniping against people my level, we both give each other a run for our money. Against sub-par players, however, this is not the case.

 

[Piggeh]

Yeah, every sniper has this in common. I could put Freeman, discord and BLS next to me on sniping and we would all shoot at the same time. Its hilarious.

Once I was snipe chasing a guy and I must have been lined up with his arc in such a way that I got sniped by my own teammate >.<
Agreed, I've seen that before, snipers firing shots simultaneously. It is indeed hilarious (except when you are on the receiving end :S)

 

[WildFire]

In the case of Lanthus yea he's pretty much been in sniper since day 1, you weren't always a sniper though. Fireblasto don't bother responding on here if you aren't going to make intelligent comments. I'm not moaning I'm debating or attempting to prove wrong points that people bring up. I already stated that it doesn't have to get changed I just want the devs to consider the sniper class more than they already do. I've adapted to the tactic through escorting and focusing on snipers, I'm not some new randomer QQ'ing so don't treat me as one I've most likely played longer then you.

But I have been making intelligent comments! You just haven't been listening to them, and just re-enforcing your point without really responding to mine. Its the typical argument of:

"I don't like you, therefore I'm going to say get out of my thread by saying that he isn't intelligent enough to be here"

Don't worry, you're really not the first one to do this on these forums. You started the thread originally because you were unhappy with the changes, this generally means that you were moaning in my opinion.

As Disci said, just because you may of been here longer, it doesn't make you more intelligent. I could quote my post count on these forums to you if you want and it wouldn't help my argument by saying "I have more posts than you, therefore I'm more important than you". As another fact, I have been here for months before IA even went down. I'm very happy to discuss these things, but when you make it personal, it becomes a flame war - so please don't do it, as many people will get the claws out and move it away from the original purpose of the thread, which I admit I have now successfully done.

 

[Frost]

And you could still be the most dumbest person on the planet. How long you've played has nothing to do with the fact how much you know about this game. Do I have to remind you, that there are probably 1000x better cappers than you are so don't expect the game being balanced around your skill level.

By playing long I mean I've played a very long time in PUGs and team matches. To adress your other point; legions doesn't even have 1000 people currently however I do agree and I've stated before I'm not a very good player, mediocre at best.

But I have been making intelligent comments! You just haven't been listening to them, and just re-enforcing your point without really responding to mine. Its the typical argument of:

"I don't like you, therefore I'm going to say get out of my thread by saying that he isn't intelligent enough to be here"

Don't worry, you're really not the first one to do this on these forums. You started the thread originally because you were unhappy with the changes, this generally means that you were moaning in my opinion.

As Disci said, just because you may of been here longer, it doesn't make you more intelligent. I could quote my post count on these forums to you if you want and it wouldn't help my argument by saying "I have more posts than you, therefore I'm more important than you". As another fact, I have been here for months before IA even went down. I'm very happy to discuss these things, but when you make it personal, it becomes a flame war - so please don't do it, as many people will get the claws out and move it away from the original purpose of the thread, which I admit I have now successfully done.

I've addressed almost all of your points with my own points so I'm not just posting my own ideas that magically appear out of nowhere I'm posting what I see and experience in games.

Also, if the sniper doesn't get fixed then it doesn't get fixed, I believe I've said it twice I posted to get the Devs to think about the class, since the game isn't as enjoyable as it was. I think I'm done posting however since this didn't nearly go how I pictured it, no not a thread hating on the sniper class however an actual discussion would have been nice.

I personally don't have an easy time sniping against people my level, we both give each other a run for our money. Against sub-par players, however, this is not the case.

Just as an end note, the part in bold italics is pretty much the point of the thread. Notice I including the previous sentence as it is also true.

 

[ThermoDust]

Hey guys just wanted to bring up that I thought that the outrider/hornet/boost/sniper/rocket is op.

In the current live version the hornet medium armor has a slightly gimped laser rifle and less agility compared to the outrider.

You can get sniped on the way in, rocketed in the face, and then grenade boost chased all by the same player. Perhaps this is too much all around effectiveness for the hornet?

However, I like the new Sky Bolt and all the new maps .

I do agree with most of the replies that the sniper is just something you have to learn to fight. However I found it easy to fight them when I had the RL Spec as I was able to land a hit on them before they can see me coming in. But now with the slow rockets it got much harder to hit them before they can just jump out of the way and snipe me(Yes the bolt is faster then the rocket however it still seems slower than the RL Spec).

 

[Noober]

i play hornet nearly always times...
it's more fun than hornet in medium armor but everyone shoot out me easy!
maybe i'm noob, but in my opinion it's not overpowered and it's hard to use hornet well.
Sometimes in close combact i do RL ma + LR shot for fast kill, but it's a compound of aim skill and luck.

When i try to chase with hornet using LR i have 1 maximum 2 shot before flag carrier go away and make me usless for return, and if the flag carrier is good i fail in 70-90%....