RockeyRex
Legions Developer
L'Oréal
Rant: Fine line or no line between LO and Camping
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Immanent
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Uh for the record, I think I have played in by far more PuGs than you have here on L:OD. And yes, when I do play serious, you will rightly find my standard of playing greatly increases from those forsaken pubs you see me playing in.
I suddenly decided to end each post with my name, because everybody who looks at it gets killed by Immanent. Thus producing the death message "______ was _____by Immanent", and I do it to save face of others
.Immanent
WildFire
Warrior of Linux
Argh! I've been countlessly owned by you so many times !
Propkid
Member
I suddenly decided to end each post with my name, because everybody who looks at it gets killed by Immanent. Thus producing the death message "______ was _____by Immanent", and I do it to save face of others
Immanent
No, really WHY?!
Not Propkid
aka: This is not a paradox
Ucantry2run
Private Tester
I dunno what you're talking about, we have pugs very frequently. Especially the euros. Where have you been?
Heartsong
Member
Outlawl
Macabre
One point I think we're overlooking is the reason why bases are being camped. While it is entirely possible that someone's base can be camped because their team lacks the defensive personnel or coordination, I think the main reason why this is happening is just simply because the person camping possesses greater dueling ability.
I think the biggest problem is that people underestimate the skill required to perform such an action. Seeing as though they are able to camp your base, means they must have put in the time and effort to get to such a level of skill that they can out-duel your entire team's defense while simultaneously managing their health, energy, and movement successfully so that they can maximize their longevity and effectiveness. This is something that we really can't do anything about, it's how the skill-gap works. You can't nerf mechanics to make it easier for you to kill the camper either, you'd be rewarding players who don't spent the time practicing/playing against those who do. Like auto-tuning an artists voice to make them sound good, as opposed to rewarding those who actually spend time work on their voices. Yes Ke$ha, I'm looking at you. That being said, if a player is ordinarily out-dueling your defense, your options are(at least in my opinion): practice your dueling or switch positions to avoid them(remember your three second invulnerability!).
Touching on what I said above, though this thread isn't about LO, I think it highlights some of the disadvantages that LO experience while trying to perform their intended job.
As LO, you are already at a disadvantage. First off, when traveling across the map to the enemy base, the LD can see you coming in and can fire at you as you approach the base. Additionally, if you kill one of the enemy LD, you rarely have any time to recover health from the duel before the same LD is back on-top of you again, this being the result of the short respawn timer. Not to mention, you are usually out numbered being at the enemy base. Lastly, the game mechanics don't really facilitate longevity of someone constantly having to duel other players. At some point while dueling, we run out of energy and hit the ground. And the second you hit that ground, you better believe, there will be a rocket B lining for your feet. It's essentially a free-shot and, it's pretty darn easy to do. Through this splash damage received when you hit the ground, it is only a matter of time before you die.
In my opinion, the respawn timer mechanic seems a bit more balanced towards the defense given the LO's situation. I find this alarming since it's of the
"vast consensus" that defense is more powerful than offense.
Just my two cents.
I think the biggest problem is that people underestimate the skill required to perform such an action. Seeing as though they are able to camp your base, means they must have put in the time and effort to get to such a level of skill that they can out-duel your entire team's defense while simultaneously managing their health, energy, and movement successfully so that they can maximize their longevity and effectiveness. This is something that we really can't do anything about, it's how the skill-gap works. You can't nerf mechanics to make it easier for you to kill the camper either, you'd be rewarding players who don't spent the time practicing/playing against those who do. Like auto-tuning an artists voice to make them sound good, as opposed to rewarding those who actually spend time work on their voices. Yes Ke$ha, I'm looking at you. That being said, if a player is ordinarily out-dueling your defense, your options are(at least in my opinion): practice your dueling or switch positions to avoid them(remember your three second invulnerability!).
Touching on what I said above, though this thread isn't about LO, I think it highlights some of the disadvantages that LO experience while trying to perform their intended job.
As LO, you are already at a disadvantage. First off, when traveling across the map to the enemy base, the LD can see you coming in and can fire at you as you approach the base. Additionally, if you kill one of the enemy LD, you rarely have any time to recover health from the duel before the same LD is back on-top of you again, this being the result of the short respawn timer. Not to mention, you are usually out numbered being at the enemy base. Lastly, the game mechanics don't really facilitate longevity of someone constantly having to duel other players. At some point while dueling, we run out of energy and hit the ground. And the second you hit that ground, you better believe, there will be a rocket B lining for your feet. It's essentially a free-shot and, it's pretty darn easy to do. Through this splash damage received when you hit the ground, it is only a matter of time before you die.
In my opinion, the respawn timer mechanic seems a bit more balanced towards the defense given the LO's situation. I find this alarming since it's of the
"vast consensus" that defense is more powerful than offense.
Just my two cents.
Immanent
Member
Dueling ability can only be matched with those who use that of the same style. Chaining with chaining, MA with MA and Ground pounding with Ground pounding.
I chain. Very well.
Immanent.
MJ1284
Member
If you're good with chain how on earth can ONE LO/"Camper" ruin the game?
Skepsis
Member
Imo, Styles don't matter unless you have aim. Some of us dont even take the easy shots such as Ground pounding. It all comes in thru practice and what your trying to do. Someone Can try Ground pounding, and I am able to Chain and MA them.
It's all a matter of Experience
Immanent
Member
Have you guys ever played with me? If you haven't stfu and gtfo before you start making stupid accusations at me. Same goes for you Application and ripper. And you are forcing me to derail this thread by this very reply.
I do address you personally Coffee. If you can NOT take me seriously, why should I take your racist hate comments and soak them up like a sponge?
To devs,
please lock thread. It has been made pointless and has been derailed by some very conceited and ill-mannered "people".
This was orginally MY personal issue, and I would certainly not like any further responses of this sort.
Thanks
Immanent.
I do address you personally Coffee. If you can NOT take me seriously, why should I take your racist hate comments and soak them up like a sponge?
To devs,
please lock thread. It has been made pointless and has been derailed by some very conceited and ill-mannered "people".
This was orginally MY personal issue, and I would certainly not like any further responses of this sort.
Thanks
Immanent.
ripperthedipper
Member
No I haven't seen you in game.The only thing I know about you is that you keep talking about how 'good' your chain is, and about how 'good' you are yourself.
(does posting in this thread give you automatic likes from coffee?)
(does posting in this thread give you automatic likes from coffee?)
Propkid
Member
I suggest cooling down before you get locked together with the thread. And the thread was long-derailed already.
Mabeline
God-Tier
Redvan
Private Tester
That's wrong. Not only that, but, you shouldn't be using only one of those "styles" while dueling (unless your practicing in the designated practice area and both parties agree on what "style" you will be practicing). You should be using a combination of all 3 while trying to kill someone in a match. Why would you MA if someone is about to land? Why would you chain when they're about to land (unless they're really low health and you already have your cg out). Why would you ground pound when someone is in the air?
Obviously not true, as you cannot speak for everybody.
CTF is DM with a flag. You do what it takes to get the flag home. If that involves destroying the enemy D because you can? Well, so be it. I assure you, this will happen in competition games as well as PUBs if a team is able to do it.
Outlawl
Macabre
I leave out the post about "playing styles" since Van has already beaten me to the punch.
Personally, I hardly believe this to be such a constraint on your skill capacity.
Up to a certain point, the only effect ping has is that it forces you to increase your lead time. While troublesome to have to deal with, it is most certainly not impossible(See: Petrified, Twisted, Mabel[I guess], OmniDetta). Once you acquaint yourself with the appropriate lead time, you'll find that your dueling abilities are the same just as every other player.
Put in the effort and you shall be rewarded.
Personally, I hardly believe this to be such a constraint on your skill capacity.
Up to a certain point, the only effect ping has is that it forces you to increase your lead time. While troublesome to have to deal with, it is most certainly not impossible(See: Petrified, Twisted, Mabel[I guess], OmniDetta). Once you acquaint yourself with the appropriate lead time, you'll find that your dueling abilities are the same just as every other player.
Put in the effort and you shall be rewarded.
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