OSniping Accusations ......

Aki

Member
w/e osniping really is;
I tend to snipe targets that are leaving their base/on a caproute/ are involved in flag combat/ have the flag/ are the HoF regardless of their position on the map. So don't get mad at me if you are in your base at Nivosus and while jumping for the giggles you get sniped by me- 'it looked like you were starting to go for our flag'.
IMO osniping that is a tactic has to be effective in some way, just like all tactics are. 'Shooting out randomly at idle defenders' seems to be the current meaning of the word 'osniping', but compare it to the way I (and hopefully other snipers) tend to use it in PUGs; when trying to return the flag I don't go all in with my RL but wait for some teammates to get in and then I wait for the moment when the enemy capper can be one-hit-killed with a sniper shot. That way he can't pass and we're more likely to return.
^That is what IMO the word 'osniping' should mean if it was literally derived from 'Offensive Sniping'. For some reason people blend this 'true' meaning with the greatly annoying random-laser-beams-in-my-face-when-im-at-base.

If you do the latter then stop. If you do what I do then nevermind what the others say.

This.

Also, I feel that the reason osnipers--even the kind Propkid described--are so annoying is because it's a pain in the ass to do anything about them (gotta send a defender out there, who might be sniped on his way out, just to either have the sniper Ctrl-k or play a game of cat and mouse for three minutes). This could be remedied by base assets, I suppose, if there isn't a defensive sniper on your team.
 

Metreon

Member
Also, I feel that the reason osnipers--even the kind Propkid described--are so annoying is because it's a pain in the ass to do anything about them (gotta send a defender out there, who might be sniped on his way out, just to either have the sniper Ctrl-k or play a game of cat and mouse for three minutes). This could be remedied by base assets, I suppose, if there isn't a defensive sniper on your team.


That is a key to the effectiveness of osniping, and I will admit that I am occasionally guilty of overdoing the diversion role (and respawning if it gets too hot or someone is getting too ragey and I feel in a devilish mood.) In a way though, the cat and mouse really helps hone my dueling skills. As does does osniping in general. If you are aiming for a flying target, then you have to be able to predict where they are going. To be really good with rockets, you want to be able to predict where they are landing, for instance. CG is similar too, to be effective with it you need to be able to predict their vector if they are moving. If it hadn't been for that practice I'd probably suck at everything else.

Make the laser go rainbow-ish. :D I'M HELPFUL!
I am fully in support of this.

You would be more effective as a defensive or chase sniper. 'nuff said.
Technically true. I guess my habit of being stationary is one that was a holdover from the old sniper that required you to remain stationary to an extent. As it stands, the energy nerf makes chase sniping pretty tricky. It's doable and I've done it, but being near the base makes me a last hope of sorts for whacking the capper (which is a fantastic boost to my already ungodly ego.)

lemme guess, vybez can dish it but he cant take it ;P

Ultimately, people need to learn that o-sniping is fine.

If you're stupid enough to sit around at your base and get sniped, then you're obviously playing it wrong.

If you cant take out a severely gimped sniper in a duel, it's not because the sniper is an OP weapon, and it's not because the sniper is in an o-snipe position, it's because you're just bad.

In a competitive match, if a team cannot counter an o-sniper, then they don't deserve to win.

Simple as that, end of story.


I wholeheartedly agree. I mean, I can and do snipe people that are jumping around too, but the point remains. I'm not hard to kill. I'm outgunned at short range against any other configuration (I use the Outrider sniper.) Come and get me. I'm the annoying drunk sorority girl of the game- irritating, disruptive, but easy and satisfying to shoot a rocket at. ;P
 

DOS4/GW

Member
I suppose you're right there. I do tend to position myself at the closest defensible spot to the enemy base so I can make returns if I hit an enemy capper before he gets there, but it's pretty difficult to be effective in that aspect. As for not being something a team can afford, that is true in smaller games with few people, but if it's a packed game then it's pretty inconsequential. There generally will be plenty of others serving that role, even to return the flag after I pick off a capper or assist in doing so.

In a packed game, you're still 1/8 of your team, and you could very well be the difference between winning and losing. A dedicated offense role usually has three main duties: 1. Make sure your team's capper can get away with the flag (distract/kill chasers), 2. Try to return your team's flag, and 3. Be there to make an emergency grab if needed.

As an O sniper, you can be very effective at #1, perhaps better than an LO in some respects if you can get folks to chase you. However, a laser rifle isn't going to knock a HoF off the flag stand at that crucial moment.

As for #2, you can assist others in doing the job, and you probably can be fairly helpful. But spawn times are fairly short, and you aren't there to control how the flag is moving on the ground. Returning often boils down to navigating the mad scramble for a loose flag.

#3 isn't usually possible for you at all.

So really, you're running at about 1/2 of the potential effectiveness of a regular LO. There are other factors at play, sure, but the inability to make any kind of first-hand action concerning flags is a pretty big inadequacy.

Of course, sniping is going to be a somewhat limited or support role no matter what position you play. But on defense, you'll be available if someone needs to pass the flag, and you'll be able to change quickly to a more suitable class if needed. I think it's undeniable that you can be a much bigger help playing as defense if you're going to snipe.

I'd hardly call it abuse. But I do see your point. I've been playing this a long while and have dealt with it about that long. And you are right, my main job is as an irritant and distraction, no matter how many cappers I pick off. I do find though that the average rager would still rage, no matter how I killed them. Osniping does tend to irk a few people in addition to that, but for the most part, ragers are ragers. I do d-snipe sometimes, and I get a lot of the same reactions. To some, one can't do anything right, and osniping is just something to latch onto. If it's not that it's sniping in general. If it's not that, it's rocket spamming. Or jumping around too much. Or hackcusations (I get a ton of those.)

Agreed: contempt for being sniped isn't exclusive to offense by any means. And people often get irritated by being OD or combo blocked in much the same way.

In the case of being sniped, OD blocked, or combo blocked, there is often very little that the victim could have done to avoid being hit or stopped, or if there is, it is often not as obvious as other situations are. I believe the only real satisfaction or fun that comes from a failure in game is being able to look back and realize the mistake you made and what you could have done different.

Sniping on defense can be used to irritate and distract, sure, but the main reason is to fight off incoming enemies. But with O sniping, people feel the same as above, but they are made to experience it for a less obvious or immediate reason, and that makes things all the more unsatisfying. So no, I wouldn't say that O sniping is just something people latch onto to justify contempt for sniping in general, though I'm sure that some do.

The point is, a certain aspect of maturity should still be expected. I do realize that osniping as a tactic,, while I hesitate to call it immature in its own right (at least not how I apply it) takes advantage of immaturity. I do think you'd agree that people should still be reasonable and play by the rules, something you've done well. There is nothing wrong with coming to kill me if you're on the other team, (apart from helping the diversion argument. :p)

I could just as easily argue that an effective tactic is no reason to be unreasonable, or miserable for that matter. I am very used to being disliked, and that's fine, I just expect people to handle that in a mature fashion- I don't think anyone here would really call that unreasonable.

I agree. But this is the internet.
 

Disci

Old man
Sniper in midfield can effectively prevent their capper either use his OD properly to get out of base and also get back to home which imo is only a plus for your teams ability to get flag back home. Preventing a stalemate situtation is the main goal of any chaser and if you're a good sniper and you can stop capper midfield before he is able to toss the flag home, I'd say you have accomplished your task. It's not snipers job to get the return, it's to kill capper and let chasers do the return.
 

Propkid

Member
Sniper in midfield can effectively prevent their capper either use his OD properly to get out of base and also get back to home which imo is only a plus for your teams ability to get flag back home. Preventing a stalemate situtation is the main goal of any chaser and if you're a good sniper and you can stop capper midfield before he is able to toss the flag home, I'd say you have accomplished your task. It's not snipers job to get the return, it's to kill capper and let chasers do the return.
Sniping from the midfield is a pain in the *butt* compared to sniping the midfield from home. On smaller maps you can see the enemy cappers leave home all the time, so you can snipe them from your base. Larger maps tend to have people silly-speeding in midfield, having them harder to snipe, be it from the side or middle.
Besides that IDK how does that relate to o-sniping... :D
 

Metreon

Member
Well, I must say I love those small maps like Nivosus that let me Osnipe and Dsnipe from the same spot. I guess that's mid-fielding? That's how I hit cappers on smaller maps... can pound them from my base and the whole ride back. On larger maps like Zenith and the old (and not yet back) Quarry map there isn't much point to being on the middle- you're either O or D as a sniper and I position myself accordingly.
 

ThunderBolt

Member
I would like to state that the Officials have already pushed sooooo hard on LR compared to Alpha version Legions (Fallen Empire), as a reference for anyone who started playing Legions in Beta version.

What LR has been changed since alpha version shuts down:
1) Unlimited ammo to limited ammo, and is much fewer than rockets or grens specialists' ammos.
2) Free-energy to energy-consuming (to a degree that a sniper can only boost up a few metres right after fired a single shot)(I hate this MOST)
3) Elongated time of beam damage to no elongation.
4) Approximate hit to direct hit.
Note that pt.3 and 4 are personal feeling, which is not a certain

These changes already made a sniper hardly playable and more easily to be rap:mad:d.
I used to be a Bsniper and i hate snipers who snipe base-to-base laser shooting.
I was upset about this change and I'm still angry about this s:)t.
Although I think limited ammo is reasonable and is acceptable,
I want to make clear that energy-consuming won't stop any Osniping (mostly because they are just standing :/ )
I hope the officials are not offensive towards LR as a whole, but ... snipers who are annoying.
For those who hate Osnipers but never played sniping, try play for sometimes and see if you could kill someone moving fast and is 500 metres away :D

I'm here with my anger developed long time ago.
I'm not the laws or rules, I'm always not perfect, but I'm the only one who can express my own feelings.
 

Immanent

Member
Ammo isn't a problem if you're D sniping. However most people don't chase snipe, so I don't really see thy as much of an issue.
 

Dacil

Member
it is pretty useless for your team sorry =/....i've never seen an effective o-sniper (except Nept when he dueled)... thats all the more i have to say

p.s.- imma dsniper forevah, will never switch or do it just cause i'd prefer to be an effective team member as opposed to ineffective
 

Abandoned

Member
I just dislike the way I get a laserbeam to my face everytime I'm standing still or just jetting up and down out of boredom.
 
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