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SeymourGore

Flatulent Cherub
Reopened thread so people can provide feedback on what they'd like to see changed for Legions: Overdrive TS3 PUG procedures. Lets try to avoid pointing fingers (send Seymour a PM if you have a concern with an individual or are too shy to post your criticism here). What I've done in the interim is perform a large trimming of the current Server Admins, for the most part it's down to active Devs and some forum moderators. The idea is to move the current pickup admins into their own group which would have admin powers that are more suited towards facilitating pickup games (read: move clients within the PUG area, kick clients).

Some ideas that I've been stirring around in my head are:

  • Set of rules that both players and pickup admins will abide to. (ex: No racist/sexist comments towards anyone; If a kick is warranted, it is a kick with a set timeout length and not a situation where the player is moved room to room; If an enforcement action is made, I'm to be informed of the details)
  • Less socializing in the PUG room, while it's fine to talk/discuss issues, if it comes to a point where a PUG match is being delayed because of it, the discussion should be taken to another chat lobby.
  • More pickup admins (to help facilitate games, but not for other server tasks: creating rooms, deleting rooms, etc). I'd like to get a more diverse group in this role.
Anyhow, feel free to post your thoughts/suggestions/concerns about Legions: Overdrive TS3. If we're getting to a point where a group of players are refusing to play on our server, there's definitely something that needs fixing. We're a small group, so hopefully we can find a solution that works.
 

Abandoned

Member
Had two (or three?) pugs in the 57th legions channel, all went smooth, Carnage being complete boss and cutting down the amount of talk, teams picked quickly, game started. Props to Carnage :p
 

WhiteHawk

Member
Anyhow, feel free to post your thoughts/suggestions/concerns about Legions: Overdrive TS3. If we're getting to a point where a group of players are refusing to play on our server, there's definitely something that needs fixing. We're a small group, so hopefully we can find a solution that works.

Ok remeber I can't spell but ill try (Plz read)
I like going on the LO Teamspeack when ever I play even if I just sit in a room by myself and I always like getting pick ups started , that's what I like

What I don't like is when certain players tell other players what to do,that they suck,that they should stop playing,and or talking about another player behind there back (All these things I just said have happened that's why I say it, and all these things don't make some players comfortable and so they don't come back , and or even uninstall TS3 )

I also don't like it when poeple are marked with Douche Nozzle for no reason whats' so ever. Also when admins will ban other players just for talking.(for ex. Players were trying to start a pick up and one of the admins would be like stop talking and he would ban someone and then the admin whould say "who's next" infering next to get ban so everyone else would just be quiet so they don't get ban while the admin would just talk about random stuff.) And that makes us players not want to get ban so we don't speack up.

I also don't like it white admins change my description on TS3 to stuff like Douche Nozzle, I like cock, Whitecock, I'm Gay, I have a 1.99 inch penis, and lots of other really stupid stuff.( myy description has been like all the things I just mentoined.)
 

Karnage

Private Tester
Thanks for speaking up Whitehawk. You bring up some very important points. I have also seen all of the above happening.

People, also please keep in mind that coming to the 57th Server for PUGs (although anyone is welcome any time) is only for a little while until boss Seymour can sort out the issues in a way that suits everyone.
 

stefygraff

Private Tester
Ok remeber I can't spell but ill try (Plz read)
I also don't like it white admins change my description on TS3 to stuff like Douche Nozzle, I like cock, Whitecock, I'm Gay, I have a 1.99 inch penis, and lots of other really stupid stuff.( myy description has been like all the things I just mentoined.)

Even if I never got that on my description... Maniac and Badpox got pornhub... :D :D funny but useless, cut out admins that do that...
 

aus.hsp

Private Tester
  • Set of rules that both players and pickup admins will abide to. (ex: No racist/sexist comments towards anyone; If a kick is warranted, it is a kick with a set timeout length and not a situation where the player is moved room to room; If an enforcement action is made, I'm to be informed of the details)
  • Less socializing in the PUG room, while it's fine to talk/discuss issues, if it comes to a point where a PUG match is being delayed because of it, the discussion should be taken to another chat lobby.
  • More pickup admins (to help facilitate games, but not for other server tasks: creating rooms, deleting rooms, etc). I'd like to get a more diverse group in this role.

Agreed - more P's, less C's/S's! Not pointing the finger at anyone in particular, but it is very tempting to abuse powers as a C/S... The permissions for the P user group is sufficient.
 

krazyklown

Private Tester
Ok remeber I can't spell but ill try (Plz read)

What I don't like is when certain players tell other players what to do,that they suck,that they should stop playing,and or talking about another player behind there back (All these things I just said have happened that's why I say it, and all these things don't make some players comfortable and so they don't come back , and or even uninstall TS3 )

that happens a lot with the devs in the channel or even the dev will do it. i've also been told to never captain again but whatever doesnt bug me at all. also earlier today an admin changed the map from fallout to frost and everyone asked him to changing it again we just got done playing the map two games ago i understand if a lot of them voted for the map but no one wanted to play it again. As for pugs if a captain picks a map that people dont want to play they rage quit so the captain has to pick a new map which is very annoying if you dont like the map they should learn to step up and be captain so they can pick a map, if they dont tough just play the game like you said you would.
 

Karnage

Private Tester
I would recommend that all admins in game follow the procedure of asking people if they would mind if the map changed first. I always ask if there are any objections and I only change the map if people ask in the first place. I don't think admins should be changing the map to whatever they feel like playing. If they don't like the map they should ask if people would like another map first. But that is another topic for another thread I suppose. On the other hand this thread is about the abuse of power by administrators, so I guess it's not that far off.

You know what would be great is if we could somehow make PUGs more formal. I know this is a lot to ask and I don't know what is possible and not possible but if it could be taken out of the hands of the admins or any one person that would be great. One idea would be to have a PUG server which requires everyone to vote (anonymously) for the map. That way the captain doesn't have to worry about map choice. It would also be great if there were a way for people to draw lots in some way in order to choose teams. I know that sometimes they will be unbalanced but that happens anyway. Just play the game and hope the next one is not unbalanced. Captains throw a coin for sides. It would also be great if conversations in the PUG channel could be recorded by default once there were 10 or more people in it. That might keep the conversation more civil and to the point and later if anyone has issues there will be a recording to refer to for 'evidence'.

These are just some thoughts and I know they might not all be practical but hopefully people can see where I am going with the discussion and contribute their own ideas.
 

Application-1

test bester
Yesterday I had one of the best pugs in uhm a long while on the normal regular legions teamspeak. Everyone that is talking about people get marked with douche nouzle or getting kicked should just shut up. 9/10 the people that do it are the people within their friend group. People keep saying I don't like it when OTHER people get kicked or OTHER people get douche nouzle status. Stop whining because it does not concern you it is just laughs and jokes between eachother.
 

Karnage

Private Tester
Application it might seem funny/fun to you but it's not for other people. You are chummy with the 'in' crowd that likes to bully other people in TS and that is why you find it amusing and don't experience it the way others do. Please try to have a little empathy for others who are not as 'cool' as you. You cannot just write off people's feelings like that. Try to be a little more objective.
 

Freeman

RAYTANG
Application it might seem funny/fun to you but it's not for other people. You are chummy with the 'in' crowd that likes to bully other people in TS and that is why you find it amusing and don't experience it the way others do. Please try to have a little empathy for others who are not as 'cool' as you. You cannot just write off people's feelings like that. Try to be a little more objective.
Applications telling people to mind their own business. like he said, the majority of people are OUTSIDE of the INSIDE jokes.

I really dont see why people care about why other people are banned and cry ABUSE ABUSE when they themselves have no idea why they were banned in the first place.
 

Karnage

Private Tester
Okay, I hope this doesn't descend into an argument but the point we are trying to make is that the people who were the butt of the jokes are not happy. It is they who are complaining, they who were hurt, they who were pushed around and even threatened. It is those people who are complaining. They are not complaining about other people being banned or abused but about themselves. I think I know what situation you are referring to but I can assure you - that is not what this is about. This is about a general problem not a specific incident.
 

Application-1

test bester
Application it might seem funny/fun to you but it's not for other people. You are chummy with the 'in' crowd that likes to bully other people in TS and that is why you find it amusing and don't experience it the way others do. Please try to have a little empathy for others who are not as 'cool' as you. You cannot just write off people's feelings like that. Try to be a little more objective.
If I am in a channel seeing other people getting kicked/douchenozzled when I am not either in that channel and I can see that it is nothing to be worried about, then I see no reason to find it annoying. If it is disturbing to you then you just WANT to something to whine about. That is what I am trying to say.

Please don't say that i am 'cool', I don't take that as a compliment.

And I always help everyone on ts3, everyone that has a qeustion always gets a proper response. Everyone that needs a server I help them setting one up. And that is probably why I am one of the few left with server admin that is not staff. Dont put me on your /cool/ people corner please.
 

Freeman

RAYTANG
They are not complaining about other people being banned or abused but about themselves.
I also don't like it when poeple are marked with Douche Nozzle for no reason whats' so ever.


Edit: if you're being kicked, you're probably doing something wrong. If you don't know what that thing is, ask. If you can't ask, being kicked repetitively, you're probably shaska and its kay.
 

WildFire

Warrior of Linux
It would also be great if conversations in the PUG channel could be recorded by default once there were 10 or more people in it. That might keep the conversation more civil and to the point and later if anyone has issues there will be a recording to refer to for 'evidence'.

+1 for this.

As for my personal input, I have no problem with the 'inside' jokes and kicks:
Edit: if you're being kicked, you're probably doing something wrong. If you don't know what that thing is, ask. If you can't ask, being kicked repetitively, you're probably shaska and its kay.

I agree with this as well, I think we have realized now that admins don't kick/ban for no random reason, and if you don't know what that reason is, ask said person who has kicked/banned you. If there is still a problem, it should be brought forward to SeymourGore or Apc (Though I don't know how much he is seen nowadays)

One point I would like to make about the chosen ts3 channel/pickup admins, is that they should have access to private servers so that users know that there is a server readily available to be played on. I do realize that this is only a minor point, but I feel that it would help when trying to get a pickup going. For example, shaska has/had Server Admin on ts3 for awhile, but didn't have access to game servers (This I believe is fixed now)
 

Karnage

Private Tester
I don't know why you guys are focusing on the getting kicked/banned thing which was really a minor issue. But while we are on the topic let me add that I have seen ppl get BANNED for participating in a text conversation with several other ppl but only that person got 'punished' and in the most extreme way. But as I was saying, that is really only one issue. The real issues are the problems mentioned above where admin tell others they are terrible at being captain and should not captain again, they insult other players who do not perform according to their expectations, they veto the captains' choices of map, they change the teams that were chosen so that they can be in a team together even though they are not the captains, they threaten to ban people if they interrupt their inane conversation while ppl are trying to set up a pug, they make themselves priority speakers so that they can keep making unfunny sex jokes about each other while ppl are trying to start a pug...and the list goes on and on and on.

Please focus on the real issues here which are bullying and social exclusiveness. There is and has been a little, exclusive admin club that gives admin to its buddies and does exactly what they want when they want and screw what anyone else thinks. Everyone knows this is true. That is why it is changing. Now let's focus on constructive suggestions for improvements on the situation and stop nitpicking about details.
 

stefygraff

Private Tester
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Oh man here I start saying something to all those who are admins out there and played SO MANY GOOD PUGS AND SO MANY GOOD GAMES in the last 3 months.
A few months ago we had more Euro PuG's, right? Did we have any server admins? NO! So we conclude that its not that much a question of server adminship AS it is a big problem with the player morale. I remember the times when I had Maniac, Fireblasto, Application-1(when he wasn't on Jack Daniels), we were begging Greap to start our server and after 30 min! Oh, haven't i brought you to those days yet? When we had more than US players?
Stop the arguing about admin abuse! And think about the fact that all these admins do NOTHING(most of the time play lol and throw up a failed and sad PuG).
My suggestion? Go and start a PuG! and Stfu! :) ~with love from little ol' busy Stefy


Ps: Me drinking whiskey and playing legions build up lots of pugs... even if most of you creep-heads don't really believe it!
 
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shaskie

Guest
I think you guys are a bit over reacting about the whole being kicked thing / being banned. I've been kicked from team speak 3 as much as Anak has been kicked from IRC. It's not like you're banned from legions or something, it's just team speak, it's not a big deal.

If you're doing something annoying, or causing problems in the channel, you deserve to be kicked from ts3, I have never seen someone get banned for no reason at all, so I think people should stop acting like 5 year old's and stop complaining.
 
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