ChainU
Member
Overdrive.
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Volt Cruelerz
Legions Developer
Please restate your post in a way that makes more sense. I'm sorry, but I don't catch the purpose or meaning of that.
ChainU
Member
-Now then?
Sry. about that... English isn't my native language. So I don't usually write essey-ish texts which describe something.
Volt Cruelerz
Legions Developer
-Now then?
Sry. about that... English isn't my native language. So I don't usually write essey-ish texts which describe something.
No need to be sorry. I'm sure your doing a better job than I would be speaking your native language (regardless of what it is).
At any rate, just to clarify:
Your idea is that you would have some sort of a generator that would generate a form of emergency power slowly and if used too much would result in overheating and failure of the unit which could result in player death. After failure, it can be repaired however. Is this correct?
ChainU
Member
It's finnish. I've heard it's one of the hardes languages...
But it sure is much slower to talk and write tho...
Volt Cruelerz
Legions Developer
Personally, I prefer the current system...
ChainU
Member
Just thought about it more and thought that the jump height and runnigs speed should be higher with no motors. If the generator breaks, it will blow up the motors to little pieces and the guy will be lighter. Ofcourse the motors will be repaired at the same time with the generator, in a Repair Station...
mausgang
Puzzlemaster
The current system has balance. The major purpose for overdrive is to quickly get into a base, grab the flag, and get out. The point of losing health rather than burning out the generator is that if a player ODs to take the flag, then they can still get away, albeit with less health. However, with your system, it is too likely that somebody could OD, take the flag, and be completely stranded. It doesn't matter if they could run faster, because they wouldn't have any effective defense against an aerial opponent. The maps are huge, and without skiing, not only will it take forever to cross a map, but if their generator is burnt out, then they wouldn't be able to capture it until they get repaired, at which point they are a sitting duck, and will get killed. The older system works much better as far as balance and usability.
ChainU
Member
NightHawk043
Member
So as far as I can see, you're making an individual OD far more effective that it currently is, and you're balancing it out by making it usable far less often. Am I right?
The problem as far as I see it, is that your balancing factor is unlikely to limit players. Here's an example of what I mean.
If a player wants to do an OD cap route (and obviously that's not even a requirement), for the most part the OD would only be in one place. Around the enemy flag base. Since the Capper would quite possibly respawn after completing the cap, The timer of the "energy generator" would be reset, thus the player would not be disadvantaged in any way.
Also, I'm not sure how the size of the map would be relevant.
Since a good skier (is that the right term) can go faster over a long distance without OD, unless they're requiring sharp corners, I'm not sure why you'd want to use it mid return route.
Secondly, If you decrease the damage, you'd just be opening up the old outrider "OD in an upwards direction towards the base for as long as your health allows you, then cap" method to be used on small maps. (If you were unaware, before they increased the damage Outrider takes when OD'ing, it used to be possible to go flag stand to flag stand in a single OD run on Moonshine, Nivosus and Frostbyte)
Would you agree?
I'm trying to see this from your point of view as well, but what I don't get is, What do you think is wrong with the current system, that would cause you to suggest such a change?
The problem as far as I see it, is that your balancing factor is unlikely to limit players. Here's an example of what I mean.
If a player wants to do an OD cap route (and obviously that's not even a requirement), for the most part the OD would only be in one place. Around the enemy flag base. Since the Capper would quite possibly respawn after completing the cap, The timer of the "energy generator" would be reset, thus the player would not be disadvantaged in any way.
Also, I'm not sure how the size of the map would be relevant.
Since a good skier (is that the right term) can go faster over a long distance without OD, unless they're requiring sharp corners, I'm not sure why you'd want to use it mid return route.
Secondly, If you decrease the damage, you'd just be opening up the old outrider "OD in an upwards direction towards the base for as long as your health allows you, then cap" method to be used on small maps. (If you were unaware, before they increased the damage Outrider takes when OD'ing, it used to be possible to go flag stand to flag stand in a single OD run on Moonshine, Nivosus and Frostbyte)
Would you agree?
I'm trying to see this from your point of view as well, but what I don't get is, What do you think is wrong with the current system, that would cause you to suggest such a change?
SeymourGore
Flatulent Cherub
Yar, I'm unsure about your proposed changes as well. Maybe it's the language barrier preventing me from fully understanding everything, but I'm seeing it as NightHawk043 saw it. Namely, a longer lasting OD (with less damage), but used less frequently. If that's the case, I'm not a huge fan of that (Nivosus and smaller maps would have even more issue with OD caps from base to base).
Personally, I'd like to see regular OD limited to a shorter time duration (ie: lasts for 3 or so seconds) and drains health. Some sort of "energy core" could lengthen this OD time frame and nerf the health drain.
With that said, I'd be interested to hear what other players think of the current OD system. I think there's room for refinement, and would like to hear what people have to say on this topic.
Personally, I'd like to see regular OD limited to a shorter time duration (ie: lasts for 3 or so seconds) and drains health. Some sort of "energy core" could lengthen this OD time frame and nerf the health drain.
With that said, I'd be interested to hear what other players think of the current OD system. I think there's room for refinement, and would like to hear what people have to say on this topic.
ChainU
Member
[I changed the energy term with power on this post! (The power source would be a Power Generator)]
-This post is separate and doesn't add things. Please ignore my earlier posts in this thread explaining the system.
@SeymourGore: I'm not sure if it's longer lasting from my point of view...
The Overdrive needs all your power used in flying/jumping too. It will drain your power in few seconds and it will start over-heating when it's switched to the Back-up Power. (The player will get damage from the heating of the generator and the player will have a very low health if the generator explodes.)
The Back-up Power is an already existing part of the generator, which will enable the use of the Overdrive, but will break the generator when it's used too long. (Like an illegal modification to a machine that would take off all the limits from using the full potential. E.g From the normal 85% max usage to distributing the whole 100% from the machine.) The Back-up Power will charge slowly and the generator will cool down slowly too. The generator will heat fast because it's working over the reccomended limit. You could say that the generator will explode when the temperature is too high.
-First I had the idea of not needing a temperature gauge, so first I said: "all the energy to the generators limit". Meaning, that the generator would explode when the all power is drained...
The temperature idea is better, because the power is a problem if you manage to cool down the generator. And if you have a lots of power, but you're practically frying the generator, you won't be using it for a while. This will limit the use very effectively. (Fast winds could cool down the generator faster, but when you're using it for the normal jumping etc. while trying to cool the generator down. It will cool down slower from the normal generato's heat. The normal use of the generator will not increase the heat level from the last Overdrive but, it will delay the cooling process.)
The Overdrive will be more like a boost than a way for flying quite long distances.
-Overdrives could be different in the weight classes too. Like the current jump height etc.
Quoting one of my previous posts: "Just thought about it more and thought that the jump height and runnigs speed should be higher with no motors. If the generator breaks, it will blow up the motors to little pieces and the guy will be lighter. Ofcourse the motors will be repaired at the same time with the generator, in a Repair Station..." (The explosion will disable the skii'ing completely.)
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-This post is separate and doesn't add things. Please ignore my earlier posts in this thread explaining the system.
@SeymourGore: I'm not sure if it's longer lasting from my point of view...
The Overdrive needs all your power used in flying/jumping too. It will drain your power in few seconds and it will start over-heating when it's switched to the Back-up Power. (The player will get damage from the heating of the generator and the player will have a very low health if the generator explodes.)
The Back-up Power is an already existing part of the generator, which will enable the use of the Overdrive, but will break the generator when it's used too long. (Like an illegal modification to a machine that would take off all the limits from using the full potential. E.g From the normal 85% max usage to distributing the whole 100% from the machine.) The Back-up Power will charge slowly and the generator will cool down slowly too. The generator will heat fast because it's working over the reccomended limit. You could say that the generator will explode when the temperature is too high.
-First I had the idea of not needing a temperature gauge, so first I said: "all the energy to the generators limit". Meaning, that the generator would explode when the all power is drained...
The temperature idea is better, because the power is a problem if you manage to cool down the generator. And if you have a lots of power, but you're practically frying the generator, you won't be using it for a while. This will limit the use very effectively. (Fast winds could cool down the generator faster, but when you're using it for the normal jumping etc. while trying to cool the generator down. It will cool down slower from the normal generato's heat. The normal use of the generator will not increase the heat level from the last Overdrive but, it will delay the cooling process.)
The Overdrive will be more like a boost than a way for flying quite long distances.
-Overdrives could be different in the weight classes too. Like the current jump height etc.
Quoting one of my previous posts: "Just thought about it more and thought that the jump height and runnigs speed should be higher with no motors. If the generator breaks, it will blow up the motors to little pieces and the guy will be lighter. Ofcourse the motors will be repaired at the same time with the generator, in a Repair Station..." (The explosion will disable the skii'ing completely.)
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SeymourGore
Flatulent Cherub
So instead of being a constant drain of health, it instead explodes if used for too long causing significant damage?
Argh? So during this back-up power phase are you able to OD at all? Or do you need to wait until the power's back up?
How much damage would this explosion occur? And once exploded, are you still able to use OD? (or fly for that matter).
I noticed that you use the word "jumping" a lot, and I was curious if under your new OD system that jumping consumes energy as well.
Boost would be an interesting change, personally I still like the focus on maneuvaribility with the existing OD system (versus speed boosts), but to each their own.
ChainU
Member
OD spends more time on the Back-up Power, because the normal power drains so fast. And the damage is the generator's emmited heat... Not exploding... When the heat gauge goes over a certain point, the generator will explode and do some more damage tho. (The generator is a pile of scraps after the one and only explosion.) When the player goes fast in the air, he stays airborn and steers with his mouse and left and right buttons? [No need for jump power, (because hovering increases too for a smoother ride?)]
I'm not sure about the damage... =/ But it could be a significant amount. (The explosion. Not a nuke tho.)
The new OD could be a short boost with a huge velocity.
Draining everything fast...It's like drag racing. There's the red zone in the gauges... XD
overdrive is to strong you can just flag grab and run like a bitch. i want a homing missile for the heavy like in T2 that locks onto overdrive so you have to time how you use it instead of just landing on a hill and zooming away.. If you go really fast maybe you can outrun the missile. Take no damage in OD? You are crazy
ChainU
Member
Cmon... Did you really the whole thing? And it's a short burst of power... It's short, because you would blow up your generator... I didn't say the short time directly at you...
i know you havent played in a year or whatever but when you OD you do it for like 2 seconds and you are done, so no i dont like this idea unless you think people want to OD for less then a second. they had that in renegades and it was called a speed boost beacon.
they havent even got the game out and you guys have forgotten how to play
Fiendkiller82
Member
personally I like to old OD system. Maybe its because I dont quite understand the thought process going on. the only Issue I had with the old OD is how fast you lost health when your blue energy bar drained. I would always be punching my R button yelling STOP STOP! then blow up and lost the flag. maybe this was irrelevant to the subject at hand but this is my experience with overdrive.