So uh, splash back up, eh?
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Daphinicus
Private Tester
Nope; the splash is about the same size as it was originally, though it's being calculated more accurately (with an inverse square function, rather than a linear function, if you care). It was, for a short period, reduced dramatically, but has since been returned to about its original size and scope. It should, generally, be no more or less difficult to hit things now than it was a week or two ago.
LindN
Member
so there's nothing game changing, good enough
Daphinicus
Private Tester
Oh, absolutely; it's simply a matter of consistency and intuitiveness. If we did end up reducing damage while keeping the impulse the same size, I'd like to see a different explosion effect with a distinct, firey damage zone and clear, expanding "pressure ring." The disconnect would take a fair amount of getting used to, but it wouldn't be outside the realm of feasibility.
Actually, I haven't heard anything in the community about the splash being a problem before. People only started questioning it when it was being changed back and forth. Classic case of trying to fix what was not broken. Maybe we should be working on more important parts of the game.
Keep in mind that pursuit of perfection and practicality don't necessarily coincide. On that note, reality and games don't either.
Keep in mind that pursuit of perfection and practicality don't necessarily coincide. On that note, reality and games don't either.
Redvan
Private Tester
nah, i've always said splash was too much. I never pressed the issue because they were busy just getting the core gameplay back up and running. Then they initiated a change that I agree with, then reverted it. So apparently, they're thinking about it.
Propkid
Member
I was with Mabel on irc when he came up with the idea. The way it is now makes a lot more sense; right now you can have literally ANY health value after being shot with a rocket, even 0.4% (displayed as 0%). It's just better.
Oh and (Mabel correct me if im wrong) but the splash damage has been reduced overall in such a way that the further the enemy the greater the decrease in damage. Close-by shots are almost exactly the same.
I'm not on irc often but here's how if feels like.
The original version had an inner radius and an outer radius. Inside the inner radius, it did max splash damage/impulse. It fell off linearly from the inner radius to the other radius. But, it did not fall off fast enough that it reached the 0 value at the outer radius. Hence, splash always having a minimum damage/impulse value.
The "Mabel's" version was just a inverse square depending on distance from center (it did not use the inner/outer radius). If you graph an inverse square function (1/(r^2)) you will notice that it falls off really quickly in the beginning and really slowly at the end. That was a bit too much in my opinion considering hitting pretty close gave minimal damage. I have always wondered why the devs used an inverse square instead of just an inverse function.
The current version seems like a combination of both of these. It has an inner and outer radius now. But from the inner to the outer radius, it falls off using the inverse square function I described above..
I might be off on some of these statements considering they are based on observation and talking with other people.
Mabeline
God-Tier
Gold star.
Redvan
Private Tester
From the poll thread:
I overall disagree due to:
Hitting the ground close enough to have nearly the same splash as the "old" values is very easy. So, I have to admit, I'm kinda throwing out the outer radius splash when discussing this. It's simply too easy to hit inner radius shots to bother worrying about the outer ones.
It is nice that the outer radius splash is reduced, that does help to reduce splash overall. So while I agree with you that the "current" is between the "old" and the "reduced", I'm really more interested in discussing the splash that is close. Hence, I consider it essentially the same as the "old" values in my poll.
I overall disagree due to:
Hitting the ground close enough to have nearly the same splash as the "old" values is very easy. So, I have to admit, I'm kinda throwing out the outer radius splash when discussing this. It's simply too easy to hit inner radius shots to bother worrying about the outer ones.
It is nice that the outer radius splash is reduced, that does help to reduce splash overall. So while I agree with you that the "current" is between the "old" and the "reduced", I'm really more interested in discussing the splash that is close. Hence, I consider it essentially the same as the "old" values in my poll.
Redvan
Private Tester
My average splash is in the 5-7 range.
img isn't showing up for me for some reason, you upload to the site or host somewhere?
Daphinicus
Private Tester
Rock on, Mabe.
SoulHarvester
Member
Didn't notice anything myself
SeymourGore
Flatulent Cherub
More pie charts, imo.
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