Weapon: "Crossbow"/"Harpoon Launcher"

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by ColoredSpades, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. ColoredSpades

    ColoredSpades Member

    Personally, I came up with this idea after thinking about the old sniper and grenade launcher for some odd reason.

    Weapon Description:
    Launches a bolt/harpoon at a high speed that will arch over long distances due to the sheer weight of it's ammunition.

    -The damage is extremely high, about as much, if not less than the mortar.
    -There is noticeable arch in it's travel to prevent it from becoming a more powerful version of the bolt.
    -The high damage is paired off with a very low rate of fire(Worse than the mortar).
    -Absolutely NO splash damage what-so-ever. It's a hit or miss weapon
    -If it does not kill the player, it has the ability to "Stick" a person to any surface behind him within 10 meters/feet.
    --If nothing is behind the player, it will simply stop the player in mid flight/slow down/knock back the player
    -The speed is between that of a rocket and the burner rifle(But more closer towards the rocket-launcher)
    -The ammo capacity would be 5 bolts/harpoons.

    So far, the idea seems balanced on paper, though that might not be the issue when sent into testing.

    EDIT Based on Feedback:

    -The harpoon/crossbow would have a 20-meter prime stage where it does minimal damage(About as much as a splash from a rocket)
    -There would be a small delay upon firing
    -Bolts/harpoons will be destructible
    -As well as knocking back the player, it will have a slight push backwards
    -Now damage is as much, if not less than the mortar.
    -Speed reduced to between rocket launcher and burner rifle
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  2. Immanent

    Immanent Member

    Sounds medieval ;)
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  3. Abandoned

    Abandoned Member

    Lets just create a mortar with no splash damage...
  4. Pure

    Pure Member

    Osnipers will love this,but i do like the idea :p
  5. ColoredSpades

    ColoredSpades Member

    "Old is Gold"
    Does that not sound balanced?
    It has an arch, so you have to lead a little upwards, making it more difficult to aim since it's not a hit scan.
  6. prometheus11

    prometheus11 New Member

    How about no damage (or minimal...since it is such a medieval weapon lol) but instead just extreme force to launches enemies (or teammates ;D) the amount a mortar would? Still no splash, must make a direct hit. This could make for some innnteresting tactics.
  7. Propkid

    Propkid Member

    This needs a slight nerf, otherwise this will be OP in short-distance fights even if it's senti only. Mortars are still easy to dodge, this wouldn't be. You could handicap the gun in these ways:

    Make the projectile destroyable, like hand nades. Of course give it some hp so that one plasma/CG projectile doesn't destroy it.

    Some 'I'm about to shoot this big *dancing* gun' notifation, such as the player starting to shine or emitting a noise would be good.

    The last option is to have the gun fire at a natural delay, as if it's charging up (or as if you have a high ping). You press the 'fire' button and after 2 seconds the bolt comes out. Might use some fuel/disable jets for a while.

  8. Disci

    Disci Old man

    Who else thinks this would be a totaly useless gun which doesn't have any place in this game?
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  9. Piggeh

    Piggeh Puzzlemaster

    Disci, when posting criticism, writing "why" you believe something to be useless generally serves to bolster your otherwise nonexistent argument/point.

    To counter epic close quarter destruction (as high/higher than mortar = 1 shot OR), perhaps there could be a 1-3 second priming stage, after which the weapon does it's full damage + pins players. I kinda like the pinning, but coupled with the high damage, it does seem OP.
  10. Disci

    Disci Old man

    Why? Why should I point out the obivious reasons why this gun is not going to get in the game ever? Do you suggest I should expect people to be morons who doesn't have slightest idea how to use their so called brains?
  11. ColoredSpades

    ColoredSpades Member

    Well if you're gonna be so *dancing* agitated by the idea of explaining things, at least tell me how this suggestion could be improved.
  12. Disci

    Disci Old man

    Start from there.
  13. Propkid

    Propkid Member

    That's proving how it would be un-useless... And my theory on any guns is that they should first be tested before rejected (remember my thread about the Ballistic Rifle? If you feel like it search for that, then compare my description with the way Skybolt looks like now. Similar? :p Was tested, even though the forums rejected it.)
    If I am to be Disci-honest I'll say that this gun has no place whatsoever in CTF and holds an OP upper hand in any form of DM unless it's nerfed a bit.
    But I'm me so I provide feedback and say that this would be interesting to see tested :p
  14. prometheus11

    prometheus11 New Member

    Any comment on my idea about making it simply be a knock-back weapon with no damage?
  15. ColoredSpades

    ColoredSpades Member

    Personally, I'm not sure what to say about that, since it has the ability to push you like that, I'd have to say it'd cause at least some damage.
  16. prometheus11

    prometheus11 New Member

    My point is that we've already got high damage weapons that are getting complained about (mortar)...why add another? Why not add something that is more interesting for gameplay than just high accuracy instant kills?
  17. Disci

    Disci Old man

    It is useless to think of a gun that would be so OP and then suggest it on these boards. And...

    What would be the purpose of this kind of gun? What is Legions missing atm?

    Also about skybolt, what would you say its purpose is? So far I haven't found any reason why it is in this game. This is ofcos in it's current state and what state Legions is now.
  18. Dabbleh

    Dabbleh Legions Developer

    I don't think weapons are what Legions needs.
  19. Propkid

    Propkid Member

    If we go super-minimalistic then all L:O needs is RL and CG. Skybolt, BR and them other new guns provide a nice way for each player to find his own playstyle. Honestly, when I play the Outrider I prefer plasma/Skybolt than any other weapon.
    What Legions is missing is some more depth and variation (ie just general content). Guns are one way to go at this need, maps/game modes/OD cores/new loadout system/deployables is another way to go at it.
  20. Disci

    Disci Old man

    You know, guns are for certain need. This is why there is mortar and blaster which were considered base asset killers in Tribes games. We know, that there will be destroyable base assets coming so naturaly these weapons will have a use, which atm, I don't see there is ofcos. I don't see weapons adding any kind of depth, except handgrenades, which added nice variety to gameplay as we know already.